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- From: rycohen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ross Y Cohen)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Fat Lady warming up!
- Date: 18 Apr 1996 20:59:32 GMT
- Organization: UB
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- In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960418112214.13182L-100000-100000-100000@eduserv.rug.ac.be>,
- Vinnie P. Rice <mdhondt@eduserv.rug.ac.be> wrote:
- >On 17 Apr 1996, Ross Y Cohen wrote:
- >Man! You are quite a grumpy old man...
-
- >> >Steve Kreckman (kreck@ix.netcom.com)
-
- >> >Hi Gary,
-
- >> >While it's a bit premature to discuss what our long range plans are for
- >> >the Amiga I can say that we have every intention of continuing the
- >> >existing product lines and are considering future models.
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- >> Allert! Alert! Alert! (for mindless optimists)
- >> A4000 and A1200 are the end of the line *according to Viscorps
- >> current plans*. There is *no garantee* that this will change.
-
- >You think you can read between the lines eh? READ what's there - they'll
- >continue the existing models and consider future models. Wtf do you mean
- >with "1200 and 4000 are the end of the line, according to VisCorp"?
- >Ofcourse they are: _at_the_moment_.
-
- I is not 'reading between the lines'. I was reading the actual lines.
- Current models = A1200 and A4000.
- Future models = PPC amigas.
- VIScorp has stated that they are *considering future models*. Ergo,
- PPC is not (presently) part of their future plans. This doesn't rule
- new amiga PC's in the future, but it does show that they weren't
- planning on them when they decided to plunck down $40 mil. for the Amy
- tachnology.
-
- >> >The success of our set-top box products depend largely on keeping the
- >> >loyal and talented base of Amiga developers happy. We plan on using a
-
- >> You have probably overestimated the number of users and developers
- >> who are going to stick around for this. Who wants to use
- >> Final Writer to do papers on their TV - raise your hands. The prospect
-
- >COME ON! READ WHAT THE MAN SAYS. Who said one would be using FW on his
- >TV? And who said a set-top box was meant to do word-processing on?
-
- I, and many others, are not interested in their set-top thingy.
- But I would like to do my word-processin, programming, etc in modern PC
- resolutions. If they are aiming for the set-top market, they will have
- no reason to increase the gfx resolution of the hardware.
-
- >> of doing anything right now in TV resolutions makes me queasy. The idea
- >> that TV resolution is what we have to look to in the future of the Amiga
- >> causes projectile vomiting.
-
- >Of course it does. But what makes me barf my toilet to smithereens is
- >your juvenile, paranoid interpretation of this message. You're someone
- >who has formed an idea in his head, and projects that idea on everything
- >he reads or sees, no matter what the actual content of the text is.
-
- >> And
- >> as I programmer
-
- >(though not very proficient in grammar)
-
- Sophmoric cheap shot.
-
- >> , I'm *really exited* with the prospect
- >> of the future prospect of outdated personal computer hardware.
-
- >WHO SAID outdated hardware is coming our way? Come on - they're working
- >on PPC, dev will continue, so what outdated hardware? Do you actually
- >think these people don't know they don't have to shove A1000s in our hands?
-
- I pay attentions to what people write. VIScorp people have consistantly
- said three things:
- a. They will continue to support current Amigas.
- b. They will consider new amiga PC's
- c. They will come out with a set-top.
- The current amigas are using outdated PC hardware. It would be
- quite possible to improve the hardware for set-top purposes
- without doing so for the PC side. For instance, they could
- inprove gfx bandwidth without improving resolution. This would
- be consistant with producing a 'hot' set-top.
-
- >> >lot of the existing software applications, not to take the architecture
- >> >in a radically new direction. It benefits us all to grow both the
- >> >general Amiga computer lines and our own embedded product designs
- >> >together.
-
- >> How are you going to "grow" the general Amiga computer lines (which
- >> I take to mean Amiga as a personal computer) without upgrading
- >> CPU or gfx/sound hardware? Are you going to put it in a bigger box?
-
- >WHO SAID it won't be upgraded? Read on a bit further: there they say
- >they'll improve the current hardware. They'll use the technology, upgrade
- >it, but they won't radically go for something else - which would mean
- >splitting the Amiga market in two: the old and the new technology.
-
- Improving the technology doen't necessarily mean improving the Amiga PC.
- See argument above.
-
- >> >I know this may sound a bit vague but I can't say anything more
- >> >definite right now. Look for announcements in the very near future on
- >> >our web site at http://www.vistv.com
- >>
- >> >Just to let you know, we are not just another faceless corporate entity
-
- >> All corporate entities are faceless.
-
- >To this I can't disagree :)
-
- >> >looking to disembowl companies for a profit. The pricipal people
-
- >> You bought AT for some purpose, didn't you? Don't you want to
- >> make a profit?
-
- >WHO SAID they don't want to make a profit? The man said he didn't want to
- >DISEMBOWL companies for a profit. This should make you feel happy, for it
- >shows that their reasons for buying AT are not only greed.
-
- >> Man, if I were a shareholder I'd be *really* worried
- >> right now. I can see it: "Yeah, we're a new kind of corporation: we're
- >> not interested in making a profit. Do ya want to buy some stock?"
-
- >Shut up.
-
- Cogent.
-
- >> >(myself included) involved in VisCorp are ex-Commodore folks, both
- >> >managers and engineers. We're the same group that brought you CDTV.
-
- >> Never had much use for CDTV; it wasn't a personal computer.
-
- >But they made it right? And who will disagree CDTV was way ahead of its
- >time? Long before CD-i and all that cack, they, the visionaries, thought
- >up the CDTV. Sigh.
-
- I think that for a long time to come, PC's and set-tops are going to
- remain too different in their general aims to be considered as part
- of the same catagory.
-
-
- >> >Believe it or not, there are people in charge of the Amiga that
- >> >actually *care* about the technology. What a concept. One of the main
-
- >> Most people hered *don't* care about the tecknology; we care about
- >> the Amiga OS - ie the Amiga personal computer.
-
- >Like shit they don't. First you're rambling about not wanting old
- >hardware and that they won't upgrade the SFX and GFX hardware, and now
- >you're muttering that no-one really cares about the technology. Right.
-
- Semantic problems. If by technology, you mean the hardware that
- will allow the Amiga OS to funtion as a modern PC, then I care about
- it. If, however, by technology, you mean the current Amiga hardware
- (paula, agnus, denise, et al.) which happens to be a good base for a
- set-top, then I couldn't care less.
-
- >> >reasons that we considered what some might call a 'dead' platform for
- >> >our set-top applications is that there is still a huge, loyal developer
- >> >base on tap. We plan on making the best use of available applications
- >> >and talent.
-
- >> >Our set-top boxes are architecturally similar to the current Amiga
- >> >products so anything we do to promote the current Amiga lines only
- >> >helps us in the long run. We intend to continue production of existing
- >> >models and we *will* consider the development of new machines.
-
- >> Folks, these people are a set-top company, not a personal computer
- >> company. It sounds to me like they're hoping we're all going
- >> to go out and buy they're set-top because it says 'amiga' on the
- >> front.
-
- >It sounds to me like you're deaf.
-
- Must be all the time I've been spending at the range, lately.
-
- >> >We *like* the Amiga and intend to keep up production of the current
-
- >> Congradulations.
-
- >Eh? Is this a pun? How whitty.
-
- Thanks. I knew that one day my wit would be recognized.
-
- >Ahem.
-
-
-
-
- >> >We *like* the Amiga and intend to keep up production of the current
- >> >models. The vision isn't dead, it's being reborn.
-
- >> Phew. I feel reassured now.
-
- >Irony! The man uses irony!
-
- Irony isn't the only trick in my repetoire. I am not a one act show.
- I'll save the really dazzling stuff for later, though.
-
- >Let's just wait and see. Being grubby and thinking the worst all the time
- >doesn't help anyone, and it surely won't give VISCorp the idea that
- >they've done a good thing. Let's give them at least some credit folks...
-
- I've been trying not to think the worst, but I also try to be
- realistic. Things aren't over yet, but they are looking grim.
- Everything hinges on agressive the persuit of new Amiga PC's. If
- VIScorp decides not to support future Amiga PC's, it's over, and
- there isn't anything you or I can do about it (except, of course,
- continuing to use our A4000/A1200's until they wear out).
-
-
- Ross.
-
-